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arcitecture and ghosts

Postby brett » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:22 am

hi all - right settle down with a stiff drink as this may be a long one :lol:

sat here musing on life and the afterlife - it suddenly occurred to me that the room i am in is in fact a resonant cavity - and thus will resonate at a given frequency .

i will have to explain some of this as we go along for the benefit of the less technical - so please bear with me .

any box like structure or container has a resonant frequency - this is particularly used in RF work to form resonant cavities - which have the properties of filters and band pass filters - in other words for a given space of A times B times C- there will be a frequency associated with it + plus sub frequencies + harmonic frequencies - and said container will resonate ( or ring if you like ) at a given frequency - and to a lesser extent at - the resonant frequency and + the resonant frequency - thus it will resonate over a "band " of frequencies peaking at the center or resonant point - with much lower or higher frequencies being rejected and no resonating taking place .

SO WHAT you may ask has this to do with architecture ?? - where are most ghosts reported - ??? - in buildings - and what are buildings - boxes !! - and how often do we actually think about the building when investigating a reported haunting ?? - er like never may be - OK we may say oh it was used as a Victorian work house or some such - or it is 400 years old - but when was the last time if ever you accurately measured a building during an investigation ??

now if you think about it logically the larger the box the lower the resonant frequency - and conversely the smaller the higher ( trust me on this if i have lost you ) - and what is a feature of older buildings ??? - BIGGER ROOMS !! - go to any mansion and you will see rooms that you could probably fit a modern house or flat into - go to a modern house and the reverse is true - go to a house built around the turn of the 20th century and you will find that in general the dimensions of the rooms are fairly standard - for instance they had higher ceilings in those days .

now for the speculation bit :: i have long been convinced that ghosts /apparitions /hauntings ( whatever ) have a LOT to do with frequency - so hows this for a crazy theory ?? - the size of the space is directly connected with the type and age of entity that may be inhabiting or observable in that particular building ................

plus the range of observable phenomena has to be conversant with the age and construction of said building ( box ) - vis you don't see many roman soldiers appearing in a modern council house - conversely you don't see many 20th century people turning up in a 400 year old building either - if you think on it spirits tend to be specific to time periods - conversant with the buildings they are observed in - is this something to do with the building methods and more particularly the dimensions of said buildings ?? ( the rider to this one may be that if a death happens in a 400 year old building ( or some other event that leaves an imprint on the space /time fabric ) then it may be possible for that imprint to remain as it happened in that particular spacial dimension .

with me soo far ?? - good

now some of you may say that this does not follow as buildings get altered over time - true - but if we take it that the size of the rooms at the time of the "event " eg the death or whatever is the important factor - then this could in part explain why entities are seen walking through walls etc - as they are fixed to a degree in some cases by the time /space constraints prevalent at the time of the event and subsequent changes to the "box " have little or no effect

so to sum up ( and bear in mind this is only a theory ) the larger the rooms of a building - the lower the frequency and the older the "particular " entity that is capable of being observed - eg in Hampton court - you are likely to get ghosts from henry 8th (et al ) period as the resonant frequency is correct - where as you are unlikely to get modern entities ( except in the case mentioned previously ) as the frequency of the "box " is correct

conversely - in this house - it is highly unlikely that i would get any entities from prior to its construction as the "boxes " ( rooms ) have a different vibrational "fingerprint " ( read resonant frequency )

now there are of course odd exceptions to this in that in the case of a prior building inhabiting the same space - it could just be that the size of the previous "box" could correlate to the "band pass " characteristics " ( range of possible frequencies ) of the present building - thus permitting entities to be present

so i think we may need to revisit some of the investigations previously done - or start taking note of dimensions of buildings a lot more to see if there is any correlation - if we found for instance that a particular set of sizes of rooms proved to be consistent with reported phenomena - then this may be worth looking at further .

and of interest - those of you following my capacitor ramble may be interested to know that in the smaller rooms of this house the charge received seems to be higher - whist in the larger it is lower - and from past observations outside - generally low or non existent - er has this any thing to do with the resonant frequency of the rooms ?? :shock:

that's what i hate about this interest - just as soon as you think you have a handle on something - a whole new can of worms opens up :roll:

and why the heck did all this pop into my mind this morning ?? :?

more thinks on this -methinks

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Postby Cherill » Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:20 pm

Hi Brett,

A really interesting idea there! I can actually see that low resonant frequencies could well have lots to d with the ability to 'see/hear/feel' the presence of spirit.

Brett said:
the size of the space is directly connected with the type and age of entity that may be inhabiting or observable in that particular building ................


It is true that most haunted places are of the older - or bigger type of dwelling, although we have experienced really strong paranormal phenomon in a one bedrrom flat! However, this flat was sub ground level, at the side of what was once a coal quarry. Several properties in the same road on the same side (quarry side), experience strange phenomena. Maybe the frequencies in that area in general are low because of the mining? :?

Brett also said
if you think on it spirits tend to be specific to time periods - conversant with the buildings they are observed in


How very true! However, this could be a matter of psychology and expectation when looked at rationally! Personally though, I do go along with your views at this point! 8) Whenever we are out on location, we only ever seem to get spirits from the early days of the buildings time frame. There is a snag here though, some older buildings have been converted into modern ones (like a mansion becoming apartments). As people live out their lives in a more modern time frame, we have experienced modern spirit in an old building - but only on the very rare occasion! :? This actually verifies your modern box theory!

Great post and very thought provoking! :lol:
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Postby Navigator » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:42 pm

Hi everyone.

It’s quite an interesting theory as to whether certain resonant properties of the rooms within a building favour the propagation of alleged Ghostly or Spirit type activity. The acoustical effect on sound in rooms of differing dimensions is fairly well understood. However shape (multiples of shapes) and objects within also effect these resonant properties. Brett have you thought of a scientific way to test this interesting idea?

I do find this theory interesting because of the CSE (cavity structure effect) which has a known effect on organic organisms. The effects of CSE could well be attributed to sick building syndrome experienced in some buildings.

Modern building design does take into account the effect of cavities within that might propagate the unpleasant side of CSE. The effect of such cavities are said to be deviations in the force of gravity (not really understood) causing people to feel lighter and heavier a bit like being on a ship in a storm. So we should be considering the physical structure of buildings and the effects this might have on people.

The more obvious considerations: people in general associate ghosts or even expect ghosts in older building. The history of a building might spark or fuel the imagination resulting in folk fooling themselves into seeing Ghostly figures. The prior known usage of a building is a major contributory factor (affecting those who reside or visit) and with all the added baggage i.e. folklore, stories and tales this has to be taken in account.

Ghosts have been reported in all sorts of places not just inside old buildings. There is a glut of information on the popular haunts but unfortunately not much in general from elsewhere to make a fair comparative study in my opinion. :(

I still think this would make an interesting study if a credible testing protocol with clear objectives was properly thought out. :?

Best regards,

Stefan :)

PS The CSE in the text above is a link! 8)
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Postby brett » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:50 pm

hi Stefan - thanks for the link - i feel that whilst this factor may have some baring on the matter - that you will realise that i am not necessarily talking about acoustical effects - which as you have quite rightly pointed out the fittings and fixtures will alter the acoustic properties of - either by reflection or absorption . :D

it is my opinion we are dealing with something else here - which may involve factors that are not yet recognised by science .

as you will probably be aware any "cavity ( structure ) " is capable of resonating at the fundamental - overtone and to an extent undertone frequencies - however in the case of electromagnetic energy ( think microwave type - - but NOT RF ) frequencies - there is also the factor of "modes " to consider as once the "fundamentals "are exceeded - then there are "over-modes " - which to explain fully would take a fair bit of typing and one would need to be well up on wave guide /microwave theory to understand fully - which i am sure whilst you may - many of our readers would be totally lost on so i will try and keep this simple for their benefit ( please don't think i am talking down to any one here ) :D

i feel we need to get away from the concepts of known forms of energy - be they acoustical / electromagnetic - ( sound crazy ?? - well so did going to the moon 50 years ago :wink: ) - just as there are different modes of radio transmission such as am and FM - which most have heard of but few probably could tell yo the difference between - there are as you also know such modes a sideband - double side band ( suppressed carrier ) etc to say nothing of video and now digital modes - but again 30 years ago who had heard of digital TV ?? - see what i am getting at ?? - there well may be another MODE /TYPE of acoustical /electromagnetic/light that we are unaware of as yet 8)

and as far as dealing with entities etc ( what ever you want to call them ) - i think when we transmute from mortal to spirit - we undergo a change of "mode " or vibrational frequency ??

OK - so what has this got to do with rooms /buildings - well if we take a "standard room " of say 15' x12'x10'high ( not an uncommon size in buildings of the 19th/early 20th century ) - then this will form a cavity that has a resonant frequency of X and obviously harmonic overtone frequencies of X1 - X 2 - X3 et al - and if an event happens within this room - then the vibrations of that event may become trapped in that room or certain entities who may have passed in that room can operate on frequency X ( i think some may be able to operate over a range of different frequencies or modes - BUT may be more observable by our senses WHEN they - are in an area that is at or very near their fundamental resonant frequency ( when in spirit )

so how do we even start to look at this ?? well first we need to look back at any data base to see if there is any correlation between reported activity and size of room ( but as i suspect not many measure rooms as part of groundwork for investigations .........) we will probably not be able to go down that route - but may be we can start to do so ?? - although again i suspect in the majority of investigations this will prove too much "trouble " to do - and why should any one bother on the say so of one old "crazy " with weird theories ?? - but i think we need to spend far more time doing ground work than actually investigating as like in a murder inquiry even a seemingly unrelated item of info - may hold an answer

i agree with you that expectation etc play a large part of some investigations - but may be we need to look at some basics - such as described a lot closer - then see if ANY possible effect /reason could provide a clue

any way - a lot more thought will be needed on this one - i am only just starting to formulate ideas - but i have already noticed a correlation between the caps charging and room size - and so far no one has been able to give me a plausible explanation with whats causing them to even charge - so i am not expecting too much notice to be taken of this little ramble or the possibilities posed by it :wink: :lol:

more to come as i think on it :D

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